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Ballerine Co-Founder & CEO Noam Izhaki joins David van der Plicht from eFlow on the Let's Talk Payments podcast to unpack one of the industry's most overlooked problems: KYC and KYB were designed to produce evidence for regulators, not to actually catch risk. And over time, that distinction has created a system where operations teams are optimized for filling boxes rather than reading the full picture of a business.
The conversation covers why fraudsters have become experts at satisfying compliance checklists, how fragmented point solutions give bad actors a roadmap into the payment ecosystem, and why adding more tools to an already broken process just creates more noise.
Noam also breaks down Mastercard's updated Merchant Monitoring Program requirements, which now require acquirers to screen merchants with a certified vendor before the first transaction processes. That single change is pushing the industry from batch reviews to real-time underwriting, and many legacy vendors are not ready for it.
On the AI side, Noam draws a clear line between the black-box machine learning models of six years ago and today's AI agents, which produce full reasoning trails explaining what they reviewed, what they flagged, and why. That auditability is what makes automation viable in regulated industries for the first time.
The episode closes on the future of underwriting teams: who stays, what their role looks like, and why the best organizations will treat compliance automation as a competitive advantage, not just a cost reduction.
If you work in acquiring, payments, or risk and compliance, this is a conversation worth your time.